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Gota pay your dues Glenn.

Almost 600,000 acres of public land has been temporarily closed to the public as more than 900 cattle are rounded up from a vast swath of mountains and desert where Bundy has left his livestock to roam even though he hasn’t paid federal grazing fees since 1993.

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It is a such a shame that some ranchers have done that because in Az most of the ranchers I have had any dealings with actually helped me out with some good info into areas they had seen arrastras, etc. In this particular case with Bundy, he has tried to pay grazing fees to the county who is by law the rightful recipient of those fees, blm has gotten all the other ranchers off the land in that county except him, he is the last man standing, and all of this about a desert tortoise of which the blm has killed hundreds. If he is not going to be allowed to graze on this huge chunk of land because of a turtle I don't think it is far fetched to think that they will also withdraw the minerals unless those are given to a large corporate interest. Either way we the Main Street man lose, our rights have been slowly taken and if we don't draw a line somewhere we all know the consequences. Before you jump to any conclusions on this man, read some of the other sources of info and watch his speech at the county meeting and you might be surprised at what is going on, I hope it resolves peacefully, we don't need another ruby ridge or Waco, but the blm is armed to the teeth out there.

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Hey Guys,

I have been doing some research to know the real story and at first I was on Bundy's side. Then I read about him not paying fees since 1993. I'm on the fence, but the bottom line is it's BS if you're running anyone out over a Tortoise that has survived on that same ground for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Just another way the Environmentalist can run the public out of places. It's not different than the Leopard Frog and other species that are so called "Endangered" here in Arizona that has banned small scale mining and even public traffic to the area (camping, fishing and such).

The way the BLM is handling this in my opinion is way out of hand. Someone is going to get killed over this deal ....

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I know what you mean, I kinda went both ways in my feelings, but after I did quite a bit of research it seems that his ranch is very highly desired by some defense interests because of some minerals, I am guessing uranium and also for the water rights, blm has over 200 highly armed military type people in place, along with 9 helicopters, so this is not about a few cattle and some turtles, blm killed about 700 desert tortoises that it could no longer afford to care for but they found 3 million to pull off this assault on a man that has rights to the land that predate blm. If they can operate under this environmental disguise with him, all of us will be off the land. Look up agenda 21 , if any of it gets implemented it is scary.

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I do believe he has a prescriptive easement to the land. Same as a squatter that stays in place uncontested for 7+ years. He and his family were using that land long before the BLM. There is much more to this story than we will ever know..... The amount of money the Gov is spending just to round up the cattle is nearly 3 million dollars paid to an independent contractor(my guess is a bud of Harry Reid) plus all the manpower and armament..... It just does not make sense.

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If anyone would like to see how Harry Reid is involved go to infowars.com and type in his name and the bundy name, this according to blm documents has to do with a Chinese firm building a solar site on the ranch property

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Drudge brought this to light.......

Another BLM report entitled Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (BLM Technical Note 444) reveals that Bundy’s land in question is within the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area” which is part of a broad U.S. Department of Energy program for “Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States” on land “managed” by BLM.

“In 2012, the BLM and the U.S. Department of Energy published the Final Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (PEIS) for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States,” the report reads. “The Final Solar Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement assessed the impact of utility-scale solar energy development on public lands in the six southwestern states of Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah.”

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Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area (Click to enlarge.)

“The Approved Resource Management Plan Amendments/Record of Decision (ROD) for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States implemented a comprehensive solar energy program for public lands in those states and incorporated land use allocations and programmatic and SEZ-specific design features into land use plans in the six-state study area.”

Back in 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.

And journalist Marcus Stern with Reuters also reported that Sen. Reid was heavily involved in the deal as well.

“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”

“His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.”

Although these reports are in plain view, the mainstream media has so far ignored this link.

The BLM’s official reason for encircling the Bundy family with sniper teams and helicopters was to protect the endangered desert tortoise, which the agency has previously been killing in mass due to “budget constraints.”

“A tortoise isn’t the reason why BLM is harassing a 67 year-old rancher; they want his land,” journalist Dana Loesch wrote. “The tortoise wasn’t of concern when [u.S. Senator] Harry Reid worked with BLM to literally change the boundaries of the tortoise’s habitat to accommodate the development of his top donor, Harvey Whittemore.”

“Reid is accused of using the new BLM chief as a puppet to control Nevada land (already over 84% of which is owned by the federal government) and pay back special interests,” she added. “BLM has proven that they’ve a situational concern for the desert tortoise as they’ve had no problem waiving their rules concerning wind or solar power development. Clearly these developments have vastly affected a tortoise habitat more than a century-old, quasi-homesteading grazing area.”

“If only Cliven Bundy were a big Reid donor.”

Update: The Drudge Report, the #1 news aggregate site in the world, has now picked up this story. Unfortunately for the BLM, the documents they wanted to delete are now exposed for the world to see.

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Well they backed off today and let it ride,,,guarantee it ain't over yet..

WTG NV militia

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This is what I read;

"Bundy has in fact paid fees to Clark County, Nevada in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM. The BLM arrived much later, changed the details of the setup without consulting with Bundy — or any other rancher — and then began systematically driving out cattle and ranchers. Bundy refused to pay BLM, especially after they demanded he reduce his heard’s head count down to a level that would not sustain his ranch. Bundy OWNS the water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM. When BLM started using his fees to run him off the land and harassing him, he ceased paying."

This is what agencies do in other areas. They make policy that contradicts law and/or previous agreements.

They do this to miners all the time; they try to make them believe that their policy is equal to law change.

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I know who'd I'd vote for.....oh.... ummm, you mean the situation in Nevada? DOH!!! :P

(slapping forehead, here I thought we were debating our favorite Rum.... disregard, going back to my drink now). :)

Jennifer

PS: For those who don't get the joke, Bundy is an Australian Rum, see pic... :)

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I agree Jenn, :lol: AzNuggetBob

dqsantos Btw Bundy has not paid the fees. BS

And halve the turtles they BLM decided to euthanize was because they were sick or given to them as pets and rather than turn them loose in the desert to suffer a slow death after the turtle restore program was ended . There is so much BS getting passed around on this. I'm not a big fan of the BLM or the forest service but this crap needs to stop. AzNuggetBob

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The BLM gives back over 100 cattle after armed protesters and ranchers confront them at the corrals near Mesquite where the cattle were being confined.



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"BUNKERVILLE — More than 100 head of Cliven Bundy’s confiscated cattle were released from a corral outside of Mesquite after a 20-minute standoff between angry and armed ranchers and law enforcement officers Saturday.


With rifles pointing toward each side and tensions reaching a critical level, federal land officials backed off and agreed to give up the cattle to Bundy’s family and supporters.


The mid-afternoon release by the Bureau of Land Management was hailed as a victory among supporters who had forced the closure of Interstate 15 after marching to the holding pen on the sides of the highway, although environmentalists condemned the agency’s decision.


The BLM, upset that Bundy has refused to pay about $1 million in grazing fees to the federal government for two decades, had seized at least one-third of his cattle earlier this week in a raging debate that captured national attention and whose purpose was also to protect a critical habitat of the threatened desert tortoise.


But on Saturday the BLM decided to halt the roundup, fearing for the safety of its agents and the public.


Bundy was overcome with joy when told of the pullout earlier Saturday, and his enthusiasm was catching. A crowd just outside his ranch cheered as he shouted, “Good morning America! Good morning world! Isn’t it a beautiful day in Bunkerville?”


Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie served as a negotiator between Bundy and the BLM late Friday night, but neither side said they anticipated protesters to march toward the corral.


Gillespie just moments earlier had told Bundy supporters to remain peaceful. It’s something he’d been saying all week as the Gold Butte clash heated up. The feud was held up as just another example of how the federal government takes its actions to an extreme, infringing on landowner rights.


But in Gillespie’s short speech to the crowd on the banks of the Virgin River, where Bundy’s cattle once grazed, he failed to elaborate on what federal agents planned to do with the 170 penned-up cattle.


So after reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, singing the National Anthem and saying a few prayers, protesters took matters into their own hands and mobilized in an attempt to free them. They were kept at bay by sheriff deputies and an array of federal agents in what turned into a tense standoff. One person said officers used bullhorns to tell marchers to keep away or they’d be shot.


“There have been no shots and nobody has been injured and my men are working real hard to keep the calm,” Gillespie said by telephone from the scene. “But emotions are high, and we’re going to make sure that it ends peacefully.”


Las Vegas police issued a statement saying business owners in Mesquite had received threats because of the conflict. Extra officers will remain in the area throughout the weekend.


And the Metropolitan Police Department said more officers will remain in the area over the weekend and more officers have been assigned to the Clark County Fair “to ensure everyone’s safety.”


Protesters’ actions cap a weeklong fight that has pitted armed federal agents against Bundy, a 67-year-old rancher who claims the land is either his for his cattle to graze on or it belongs to the state of Nevada, but it certainly doesn’t belong to the federal government.


Theresa Casella, who came to Nevada from Phoenix to protest, said she couldn’t believe that the Bureau of Land Management and the National Park Service were pouring millions of dollars into impounding Bundy’s cattle, which is his livelihood.


“Wasn’t that a hangable offense back in the day?” she said, half jokingly from the passenger seat of her pickup. “And now we have the federal government doing it? Back in the day, that was called rustling, I think.”


The roundup of what government called “trespass cattle” occurred in an area that spans 1,200 square miles in Clark County.


“We the people in this area have nothing to fear,” said Bundy, wearing a cowboy hat and a T-shirt bearing his family name. “We can carry our weapons if we like because we have Second Amendment rights, and those are God-given rights. Those Second Amendment rights are our rights. But, and I say ‘but,’ because we don’t have to carry them right now because we’re afraid. I’m telling you that right now. Because there’s been a lot of people who’ve been afraid, and I know that feeling. Just yesterday evening I was really afraid. … Today, we have been confirmed by our creator that we do not have to be afraid.


“This is his battle. This is his battle.”


For its part, the BLM released little information once the roundup got underway a week ago, often canceling press conferences at the last minute. Mostly the message was the same: it was seizing Bundy’s cattle because it has repeatedly to get Bundy to pony up his debt or suffer the consequences.


The Bundy ranch itself, whose cattle operations have existed since the late 1800s, became a fortified compound overnight, courtesy of militias who came from throughout the West to protect Bundy from what they perceived as “government tyranny.”


Locals who make a living on the range and own horses showed up on horseback.


Nearly all of them defended Bundy’s actions and spoke about how tired they were of the federal government micromanaging Americans, including passing too many regulations, not just in Nevada but across the country; not just in cattle ranching, but in all facets of life, from Obamacare to the Environmental Protection Agency.


Brent Mackelprang, 58, a cattle rancher from Arizona, said the government’s decision to seize Bundy’s cattle in the name of protecting “the supposedly endangered” desert tortoises, was a mere excuse “to go in and grab land from the people,” including Bundy, who’s long claimed that the land belongs to his family and the state of Nevada — “certainly not to the federal government.”


Mackleprang said the government’s conservation efforts are “nothing but a lie.”


“It’s not about the turtle, or the cactus or the spotted owl. This is all about the federal government overstepping its bounds like it always does and thinking it owns the world,” Mackleprang said. “Well, we’re here to say that it doesn’t. But if you’re a rancher and you’re living on the Colorado Plateau, then you’re going to need some luck to make a living.”


Environmentalists, who have worked years to get Bundy to pull out his cattle, were disheartened by BLM’s decision to pull back and cede to protester demands.


Rob Mrowka, an ecologist with Nevada’s Center for Biological Diversity, said Bundy has been hurting the desert tortoise and living free off the land for decades. It was Mrowka’s organization that sued in federal court to kick-start the government into protecting the land and the tortoise.


He said the government is now giving in to “an armed anarchist group.”


The Gold Butte land is supposed to be for the tortoises, who have been displaced from their natural habitat by development in the valley, he said.


“He’s got his cows trespassing,” he added.


Mrowka feels for the frustrated federal agents with whom he has talked.


“They’re trying to uphold the law and do what’s right for the land, but their leaders have pulled the carpet out from under them again,” he said.


Gillespie, flanked by several deputies, announced the BLM deal breakthrough to hundreds Bundy supporters Saturday morning.


“The Gold Butte allotment will be reopened to the public,” the sheriff said, referring to the land. “And BLM will be removing their assets here in Clark County. What I would hope to sit down with you and talk about is how that is facilitated in a safe way. We may not have always agreed, but we have been respectful of each other’s opinion and to the process. And that’s why I’m here: to start that with you and to advise you of that.


BLM Director Neil Kornze said in a statement Saturday, “Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.”


Just afterward, rancher Bundy demanded that Gillespie disarm all National Park Service employees who work on federal lands, saying that the land belongs to the people and that they should not have to endure federally armed agents while enjoying tourist sites such as the Red Rock National Conservation Area.


He gave Gillespie one hour to comply with the orders, telling the sheriff he would like to see the federal workers’ firearms brought to the rally. Gillespie didn’t comment on the request.


Some called out political figures for not being present for the battle. “Sandoval, Reid, Heller, Heck — who do you support?” one sign read, referring to Gov. Brian Sandoval, U.S. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Rep. Joe Heck, R-Nev.


Sandoval released a statement Saturday morning via email saying safety was his highest priority and that he appreciated the BLM for listening to people’s concerns.


Gubernatorial candidate David Lory VanDerBeek and state Assembly candidate Howard Scheff from Nevada’s Independent American Party held an afternoon rally in Las Vegas to show their support for Bundy.


People stood in front of the federal courthouse on Las Vegas Boulevard South with signs reading “BLM GO AWAY” and “HONK 4 FREEDOM.” About 20 people gathered to hear the candidates speak on the matter.


“The state government is responsible for protecting Bundy’s individual rights,” VanDerBeek said.


But VanDerBeek was not advocating for a confrontation between militia men and federal agents. “They need to stop fighting each other,” he said, adding that there is a greater threat. “We’re all bi***es to the banks.”


All of the candidates questioned the agencies’ motives and proposed that solar energy stations and oil fracking were likely reasons for the federal government to make a “land-grab.”


Back in Bunkerville, Ammon Bundy, Cliven Bundy’s son who was tased by BLM officers earlier in the week, was near tears as he described how BLM agents came in, took backhoes to the land and shut down water lines to prevent the cattle from drinking.


He said that a possible deal to stop the roundup for good wouldn’t have been a possibility had it not been for the people.


“The people have the power when they unite,” Ammon Bundy said. “The war has just begun.”


He said there were snipers in the hills and armed guards all around, but that the people successfully pushed them back. “We sent them packing.”"


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It was great to see this end without bloodshed, it is a very complicated, emotional and divisive issue with all kinds of behind the scene deals, and alliances and rights issues, with all the emotions running high it is easy to take a side and forget to step back and do a little research to see what is really going on here. It is just my humble opinion here, but I think the federal agencies involved in this were shocked at how close the American people are civil disobedience and even possibly open armed resistance to the slow erosion of our rights, as I look at all the background on this case, there are valid arguments for both sides, but I think overall I have to feel that our country is slowly becoming a police state with multi-national corporations calling the shots. Thank God for our second amendment rights.

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