creekhunter Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Indian tribal casinos are raking in massive amounts of money,your money!which will be used as a weapon against your use of public lands.Its happening right nowin the state of california.Senate bill SB-670 which prohibits suction dredging in Calif water ways has just passed the senate vote and is on the way to Governor Schwarzenegger's desk.This bill was wholly funded by the Kurak indian tribe under the guise that suction dredging harms the salmon population.Who knows how many other indian tribes are contributing to there effort.They have deep pockets and a vendetta against gold mining.The money that is spent in there casinos is no different than money spent on middle eastern oil.That money will soon come back to bite us in a big way.Whats next after suction dredging,gated forest roads,no more off roading,fishing,hiking,hunting.The federal and state public lands belong to us but not for long.The Indian tribes will soon have full control over our land by buying politicians in your state with your money!Now I have never had anything against the American Indian until now.This is war!So please take your money to Vegas and give to the mobsters at least they may be on our side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grubstake Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hell, who has money for that anyway, I sure don't tough enough just to get by paying rent, food, utilities, gas and insurance for the truck. If I had a nickle left on payday after all that, I'd buy me a candy bar! Oh I forgot there a $1.00 now. Grubstake Although, I can remember when Big Hunk candy bars were two for a nicle and Coca cola was a nickle in bottles. And minimum wage was $1.25 and gas was as cheap as 13 cents a gallon when the staions were having gas wars, and the gave you full service, cleaned your windows, checked you oil, transmission, air in your tires, and would sometimes give away glasse's or dishes. Good old days! I also remember when the milk man would deliver milk, egg's, butter, cottage cheese, to your house, in fact my farther in law was a milk man for years, I can also remember getting Ice in blocks for our cooler, we did not have a refidgerator until around 1956 and no TV only radios with tubes, and our first tv was black and white , I think we got it around 1960 or so, free tv channels, three, NBC, ABC, CBS Ted Mack, ED Sullulavan, cowboy movies, lone ranger, and such. Boy time flys when your having fun. Grubstake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekhunter Posted July 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hey grubstakeIm with ya man but there is another class of people that are pouring tons of money in these places.I have been to only one indian casino and rest assure it will be my last.I have a few friends that go often and I will be speaking to them about who their giving their money too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grubstake Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 We got about 4 within a hundred miles of me, I have been to one, my daughter took me on my 58th birthday, I ate at the buffet and droped $20.00 and we left. Haven't been back since or even plan to go. moneys too hard to come by, and life is hard enough, without throwing it away. Grubstake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDN_Gold_lover Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Indian tribal casinos are raking in massive amounts of money,your money!which will be used as a weapon against your use of public lands.Its happening right nowin the state of california.Senate bill SB-670 which prohibits suction dredging in Calif water ways has just passed the senate vote and is on the way to Governor Schwarzenegger's desk.This bill was wholly funded by the Kurak indian tribe under the guise that suction dredging harms the salmon population.Who knows how many other indian tribes are contributing to there effort.They have deep pockets and a vendetta against gold mining.The money that is spent in there casinos is no different than money spent on middle eastern oil.That money will soon come back to bite us in a big way.Whats next after suction dredging,gated forest roads,no more off roading,fishing,hiking,hunting.The federal and state public lands belong to us but not for long.The Indian tribes will soon have full control over our land by buying politicians in your state with your money!Now I have never had anything against the American Indian until now.This is war!So please take your money to Vegas and give to the mobsters at least they may be on our side.I am an American Indian, Oneida Nation, from wisconsin origianlly, and an avid prospepector and budding nuget shooter, out here in the central motherlode. I too am against this bill, and will be boycotting tribal casinos that support this legislation...but you say now you have something against American Indians becuase of what some tribal goberments are doing? Should people say they are now against all Californians because they don't like what the state Gov. does? Hmm, as far as for what tribes are supporting this legsilation (which I am against) you can use the freedom of information act and find out who is giving, and focus on those groups instead of trying ti gin up anger against all of us...I make no applogy for the Karuk, as they are different tribe all together from mine...just seems like you have a lot of umberage towards all of us. When most of us have done nothing to you, let alone care that you even exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnutter Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 You would think that in these perilous times finacally that the state of California wouldn.t be looking to shut down an industry that pays them good money every year. Especiqally when no one has ever given legitmate proof that suction dredging has ever harmed any fish salmon or other wise. Well I will be boycotting the Indian tribes casino,s and I do go to them once in a while. Now on another note like the previous post says lets find out for sure who we are fighting against before we just label all indians as the enemy.I have serval freinds who are indian and they are as against this bill as anyone else with any sense should be. Happy hunting out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDN_Gold_lover Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 You would think that in these perilous times finacally that the state of California wouldn.t be looking to shut down an industry that pays them good money every year. Especiqally when no one has ever given legitmate proof that suction dredging has ever harmed any fish salmon or other wise. Well I will be boycotting the Indian tribes casino,s and I do go to them once in a while. Now on another note like the previous post says lets find out for sure who we are fighting against before we just label all indians as the enemy.I have serval freinds who are indian and they are as against this bill as anyone else with any sense should be. Happy hunting out thereI'm with you Wingnutter (all of my typos from my last post aside.) the fight against the dredging ban should actually be focused against the specific tribal governments and multiple hippie agencies that are funding it. I don't think my tribal (Oneida of Wis.) government is involed in any way, even if they were, take it up with the tribal governments not with all Indians as a whole, Heaven knows our current President and Congress does all kinds of garbage I don't agree with, and that doesn't make all of us as Americans bad....yes I am a conservative, Christian indian. I have never cried when hippies leave trash on the road, I love my wife, despise her cat, and cling to my guns and Bible. I'm a proud american, and proud Oneida...and would rise to the defense of both....I digress...keep digging the Gold!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean.C Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 If you're wondering about who officially supports this here it is. Arnold only has like 10 days left to veto so email him your opinion if you are concerned: Email Governor Schwarzeneggerhttp://gov.ca.gov/interact SUPPORT : (Verified 7/9/09) SB 670 Page 4 California Coastkeeper Alliance California Tribal Business Alliance California Trout Clean Water Action Friends of the River Karuk Tribe Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen's Associations Planning and Conservation League Ramona Band of Cahuilla San Manuel Band of Mission Indians Sierra Club California Sierra Fund Sierra Nevada Alliance Sycuan Band of the Kumeyaay Nation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDN_Gold_lover Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 If you're wondering about who officially supports this here it is. Arnold only has like 10 days left to veto so email him your opinion if you are concerned: Email Governor Schwarzeneggerhttp://gov.ca.gov/interactThanks for the list that really clears some things, with over a hundred and twent federally recognized tribes in california, and only four or five against dredging, one would be hard pressed to "wage war" against all Indians, or for that matter thier financial undertakings when all tribes are entirely independent of one another, by all means boycott all tribes if you are against gaming (and for that matter state lotto and vegas too), and if you don't think Indians should be allowed to gambling for other reasons them boycott them all, but if you enjoy Indian gamming, or don't have the money to go to vegas, and you wish to fight the dredging ban (as I do)...focus your efforts on opposing the tribal governments and casionos that are sponsoring the legislation. ya think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLundy Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 This whole dredging issue in California is much more than boycotting Indain casino's. I've been dredging since 1979 and love the hobby and have met hundreds of great people in my journies. The otherside of the coin are the people that just don't care and don't think of the long term affect they can cause for all dredgers. In my words shut that club down that started this mess for the entire State of California to pay their dues, is wrong! I have my dredge permit for the season and at the end of the season I may have a claim and dredges for sale? Thank God for metal detecting...fill in your holes that could be next!!!LuckyLundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandana Don Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I agree with NDN_ GOLD_ LOVER so strike back at the tribe/group pushing this bill. Another point: Who was here when the Spanards and Columbus arrived? Don't cuss or hate all tribes cause all tribes aren't bad.Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apw5746 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 If you're wondering about who officially supports this here it is. Arnold only has like 10 days left to veto so email him your opinion if you are concerned: Email Governor Schwarzeneggerhttp://gov.ca.gov/interactSean C.,Thanks for the link. From that link I was able to send an email to Governor Schwarzenegger and say that as a former native son of California, I thought it was pretty low that one tribe (Karuk) could cause so much trouble for the prospectors, and no one has proved dredging causes harm to the fish population. I further asked he not sign SB-670 when presented to him. I said that if the fish in the rivers that are dredged had a vote, I'm sure dredging would go on for ever. Lastly I told him leaving California in 1964 was one of the best things I had ever done as the state has nothing but go down hill, and will never regain its "great state" status.When I was born, gold was $35.00 an ounce and fishing was more fun than prospecting. Is there anywhere left in the state one can prospect without getting shot for claim jumping other than in the desert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Seeker Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Not all of the Karuk tribe is behind this, it is mostly the "Tribal Counsel", there are a lot of Karuk Indians that are on the miner's side and dredge for gold as well, and they will be affected as well by this bill passing, the Tribal Counsel is being nutured by the evironmentist groups, many of the Karuk Indians are trying to get the corrupt leaders replaced with little luck, to much "greenie" money involved. Skip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Seeker Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Check out this video, this shows how easy it is for the "environmentalist" to gain support, but they will outright bend the truth and or lie to get what they want! I have always like Penn and Teller! Skip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toad_Whisperer Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Check out this video, this shows how easy it is for the "environmentalist" to gain support, but they will outright bend the truth and or lie to get what they want! I have always like Penn and Teller! SkipDoes anyone else see the irony of this post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikaze Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 My opinion...I blame the courts! I blame them for hearing such asinine case as these. It's like when they closed a timber industry to save an owl or do you remember last year when Atlanta was down to about a week of drinking water in their main reservoir? And some judge ruled that they had to let some of that precious water downstream to preserve the habitat of a fresh water mussel? Hmmm, save people or a mussel??? HELLO?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friegelmeyer Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Ive been boycotting indian casinos for 15 years. Theyr payouts have always been a ripoff. I'm with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolkat Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hey creekhunter,The last time I checked we don't have any Salmon running in the Arizona dry washes. The one Tribe in CA. that is causing the trouble is not all tribes.JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maui Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 hey grubsteak, wow i also remember those days and now look at how the world has changed so much, some for the better and much more for the bad. the whole world seems be heading into kaos.i also agree with you about having a hard time just getting by and how tough it is for so many of us.about the post, the enviralmentlist and all the differant groups of them have or are trying to save the world. one example that just came to be, last week there was big news here about the descoverey of a flying earwig bug. man, these people [ groups ] are nuts. they have so much power and money behind them that it is hard to fight them but we can not stop trying. i could go on and on but my blood pressure would end up in outer space. ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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