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Amen Doc. Though I Don't think it is going to happen this time.

I expect Obama to win the 2012 election. Because, 40% of the population do not pay any taxes and they want to keep it that way. 30% of the population are socialists and along with the no-tax 40% group want government to take care of them from cradle to the grave. That leaves 30% who want small government and a capitalistic economy. Strange that the three US government branches are now 1/3 conservative, and 2/3 socialists!! A good reflection that supports the above breakdown analysis.

Sadly, Obama will win by 51% to 49% (2 pt) because some of the 30% socialists have lost their job and cannot get one and they will secretly vote republican in desperation.

If one believes that things are bad now, then wait until the end of 2016 after 4 more years of Obama. Everyone should take a long hard look at socialist Europe. Whatever one sees occurring in Europe today will be observing what will occur in the US in about 4 years, provided Obama wins. .

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Amen Doc. Though I Don't think it is going to happen this time.

I expect Obama to win the 2012 election. Because, 40% of the population do not pay any taxes and they want to keep it that way. 30% of the population are socialists and along with the no-tax 40% group want government to take care of them from cradle to the grave. That leaves 30% who want small government and a capitalistic economy. Strange that the three US government branches are now 1/3 conservative, and 2/3 socialists!! A good reflection that supports the above breakdown analysis.

Sadly, Obama will win by 51% to 49% (2 pt) because some of the 30% socialists have lost their job and cannot get one and they will secretly vote republican in desperation.

If one believes that things are bad now, then wait until the end of 2016 after 4 more years of Obama. Everyone should take a long hard look at socialist Europe. Whatever one sees occurring in Europe today will be observing what will occur in the US in about 4 years, provided Obama wins. .

Boeing:

Unfortunatly....I have to agree with you.

I think most of america does not look at the long term affects and only the here and now and what gives me the most right now. And belive me I see it....I work with a bunch of 18-23 yr old kids and they do not have a clue on what gov. is or does...they just want a free ride.

Were kind of stuck with voting on who is the better of the worse...

Ive mostly been Rep. but have voted Dem. in the past because the Rep. was a turd.

Its frustrating to say the least.

Tom H.

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Tom H. I also used to be Republican , but after that idiot Bush family , I will never again vote that way . Obama is a clear choice for next year when you consider the poor selection the Republicans are offering us. Obama hasn't taken my guns away or even mentioned trying to do so. He hasn't interfered with my prospecting or even mentioned trying to. He is struggling to keep medicare and social security intact which is the only thing that keeps many of us older folks from being homeless. The republicans want all that destroyed . If Doc is so wealthy that he can afford $2,000.00 a month for health insurance and doesn't need social security when he retires, more power to him and it shows that we live in a great country , but alas not everyone is so fortunate, and in fact only a very small percentage of Americans will ever be in the position to retire without these programs. Losing them would be a huge step backward for this country. They are NOT entitlements , the American workers pay for these programs through payroll deductions. It is taken out of their checks every month!!!----Bob

P.S. Fred , you are right , The politicians are only in it for themselves, and all of them are bought and paid for. We have always had to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.---Bob

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Yes, that was the original intention SS, but the reverse occurred and that is a fact.

The government used the social security revenue as a tax revenue (part of the budget) to finance big government welfare programs (The Great Society) and some discretional programs like EPA, Dept of Education, medicare/medicaid, and the lists goes on. Sorry, that indirectly makes social security a tax revenue. The people are easy to fool. Because of theft, social security is now an entitlement. It is unfortunate that some people have a hard time in seeing social security as an entitlement. That is why most of them are democrats.

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YEP! depending on how you like it good times or bad times are coming. If Obama wins again we are screwed, If a Rep. wins and starts to repeal the socialist footholds they have dug..... it's going to get very ugly here in America.

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Oh My God, what was I thinking, of course we should re-elect Obama. Because we want to make sure we allow him 4 more years to ban drilling in yet more places to make us more dependent on foreign oil, so we can be paying $15 a gallon. We want to make sure that he increases the debt even more so the American dollar becomes even more worthless so detectors imported from Australia cost $20,000 instead of the exorbitant prices we are already paying. And of course we sure as hell don't want to leave unemployment at 9%, surely we can get that into double digits. And of course we need more stimulus money that Obama can give to more special interests groups so he can solidify his "RULING ELITE" plan for America.

The people with the money, the people that have made their millions by hard work and the sweat of their brow, and their intelligence, the ones that hire, the ones who John Galt calls on to bring the wheels of society to a grinding halt... (you'd have to have read Atlas Shrugs to know anything about John Galt) the guys like Donald Trump and Steve Wynn, they have openly said "we are holding on to our money until Obama is gone because, we don't trust this guy. We don't know where America is going as long as this guy is in charge."

This is the kind of confidence Obama instills, and that is why ANYONE, and I do mean ANYONE is better than Obama.

And of course then we have socialized medicine, we want to have that OBAMA care so employers refuse to hire anyone. Does anyone really know of anyone who has not received medical care, with or without insurance?

I am all for re-electing a man who has taken more vacations on our tax dollars, than any president alive, a man who has shown immeasurable disdain for this country, our constitution and our military than any president ever elected to this office.

Absolutely, Obama is the man, in fact I don't know why we stop at reelecting him, why don't we just make him our dictator, or king. That's what he would really like.

Are other politicians better than Obama? Damn right, because despite how bad they all are, the majority of them at least believe in America. They don't have spouses that for the first time in their lives are proud of America just because their husband got nominated to run for the presidency. They are politicians, who if elected as our president, would not find it necessary to travel the world and apologize for America.

This man is an absolute imbecile. Have you heard him talk when he doesn't have a teleprompter?

Even Chris Matthews, who has so excited with the election of Obama that it made a chill run up his leg has recently said:

“What are we trying to do in this administration? Why does he want a second term? Would he tell us? What’s he going to do in the second term? More of this? Is this it? Is this as good as it gets? Where are we going? Are we going to do something the second term? He has yet to tell us. He has not said one thing about what he would do in the second term. He never tells us what he is going to do with reforming our healthcare systems, Medicare, Medicaid, how is going to reform Social Security. Is he going to deal with long-term debt? How? Is he going to reform the tax system? How? Just tell us. Why are we in this fight with him? Just tell us, Commander, give us our orders and tell us where we’re going, give us the mission. And he hasn’t done it.

And I think it’s the people around him, too many people around, they’re little kids with propellers on their heads. They’re all virtual. Politics, this social networking, I get these e-mails, you probably get them. I’m tired of getting them. Stop giving them to me. I want to meet people. Their idea of running a campaign is a virtual universe of sending e-mails around to people. No it’s not. It’s meetings with people, it’s forging alliances. It’s White House meetings and dinner parties that go on till midnight, and he should be sitting late at night now with senators and members of Congress and governors working together on how they‘re going to win this political fight that’s coming. I don‘t have a sense that he’s ever had a meeting. I hear stories that you will not believe. Don’t you feel, I think everybody feels an absence of communication from the time he’s been elected. And it’s not about not being left-wing enough or too left. That’s not his problem. It’s connection. And Mrs. Obama, she’s an amazing asset.

And what has she done? Obesity? How about connecting with the American people about being Americans? I don‘t think she’s, I don‘t think she’s happy. I don’t think they like being in the White House. The American people can tell that. They don’t seem thrilled at the fact the American people have selected them as our first family. I don’t sense the gratitude, the happiness level, the thrill of being president. Bill Clinton loved being president every minute and you knew it.”

GEESH at least one liberal with the intellectual honesty to say out loud what intelligent thinking Americans have been thinking all along.

Doc

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Politicians in the public arena are fair game. We can all share our thoughts. But please refrain from attacking one another.

First amendment: Wall street movement- That right gives us all the freedom of speech and right to assemble. As so designed during our mid 1700's period in a peaceful environment. But I fail to read in that amendment the right to camp, live and be distruptive there.

Social security: I will be turning 62 in Jan. and I am looking forward to the funds I have been contributing all my working life. Perhaps if senators were on SS instead of retiring with there full pay after two years? there position would be different. The ole two sets of rules for two different people comes into play here.

Obamacare: Sorry, but in America my freedom of choice is eliminated by this mandate. I was fortunate prior to 2005 I had a job for 32 years. Paid heavily to keep my healthcare benefits into retirement from my job. Only to see freeloaders on the entitlement line. Our fathers paid into SS as we did. Let's keep it in tact and refrain from our country borrowing from it. For the sick and elderly, there's medicaid, welfare, medicare, food stamps, soup kitchens, etc.

In several countries they displayed a graph on TV showing countries elimination of unemployment entitlements over years. When the these country checks stopped unemployment went down drastically. People all of a sudden found these non-existant jobs.

Jobs, economy: Rights and freedom of choice, import taxes. No one has a clear cut answer for our economy. Perhaps the position of business friendly should be considered. Tax breaks, incentaves for new or more employees or whatever for American run companies. Furthermore, with the creation of jobs and the florishment of business in a competitive market. With more access to American materials, minerals, produce, plant products. Merging the green movement into our economy. But all this must be based on employee expansion within companies to create jobs. Not the folly of Obama and the solar energy company in Colorado due to contributions to his campaign.

Sorry, but we all are waiting for that change thing. Just exercising my opinion.

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How can the cause of a $15 trillion government debt be chalked as any part of a revenue problem? Our yearly budget is 25% of the GDP. ---(0.25 x $14.5 trillion GDP = $3.6 billion) Our 2011 budget deficit was $1.3 trillion. Our IRS collected revenue was $2.3 trillion. We had to add $1.3 trillion to our credit card.

The country must spend no more than 18% of GDP in order to survive. Both parties know and realize this.

Simple math question: How much additional tax revenue is required to reduce budget down to 18% of GDP, which is $2.61 trillion? We need $310 billion additional revenue or a $310 billion spending cut.

The republicans want to cut spending by $310 billion (no taxes). The democrats want to increase tax revenue $155 billion on the rich and cut spending $155 billion (balanced approach, right?).

Does any person, who has a normal working brain, believe that any additional tax revenues ($155 billion) will not be spent on more government programs? For example, each year the number of people, who pay no income tax, increases. This must increase the tax burden on those who are working or increase our credit card limit which puts us into a debt death spiral.

The democrats want to tax the ultra rich!.--- Who do you think provides the working capital for businesses and the jobs for those who are working? You guessed it, the ultra rich. Show me a country that does not have an economic path to becoming ultra rich and you will see a country with poverty at its worst. The democrats want to tax the ultra rich to oblivion. This will remove all incentives to build a small or large business. Result: high unemployment in the public sector and eventual economic doom.

I say again, if one believes that things are bad now, then wait until the end of 2016 after 4 more years of Obama. Everyone should take a long hard look at socialist Europe. Whatever one sees occurring in Europe today will be observing what will occur in the US in about 4 years, provided Obama wins. .

Gridlock will end after which time it will be impossible to save the titanic. The US will then join the Greek, Roman, and British empires. History has and will continue to repeat itself. If the senate and presidency remain Democratic after 2012 election, then may God help those of us who are alive in 2017.

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I guess what really irks me is that many Republicans and especially the tea party faction portray anyone who recieves Social Security or uses Medicare as leeches who are a drain on society . I would say that at least 95% of retired folks recieve these benefits after having paid into the system all their lives. Are all these people really leeches? Bush wanted to hand over the Social Security funds to The wall street gang of theives to gamble away. Imagine where we would be now if that had taken place with the stock markets in turmoil. Our country is split right down the middle at the moment and neither side wants to give an inch , so absolutely nothing is getting done to get us back on track. We are at a stalemate. I think the middle class is well on its way out and the U.S. will end up like Mexico or India. A few very wealthy people and millions of poor people with nothing in between. As I get older I don't look at all poor people as lazy bums who don't want to work. Any racial prejudices I had as a younger man are gone. I don't believe war solves any problems. I now believe that those who have benefitted the most from our capitalist society need to put more back into it. I believe that most people who hate Obama are racists who are horrified that our country has a black president and no amount of good work Obama might do will make things right for these people so they automaticly reject anything he proposes. I'm really saddened that most people on these prospecting forums seem to fall into this racist redneck category and I have slowly begun to reduce my participation in them. I have had to ask some members to quit sending me racist jokes and far right propoganda in my email and PMs. All that the ultra rich are concerned with is staying ultra rich and they lobby congress to make sure they stay that way and to hell with everyone else .----Bob

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I guess what really irks me is that many Republicans and especially the tea party faction portray anyone who recieves Social Security or uses Medicare as leeches who are a drain on society . I would say that at least 95% of retired folks recieve these benefits after having paid into the system all their lives. Are all these people really leeches? Bush wanted to hand over the Social Security funds to The wall street gang of theives to gamble away. Imagine where we would be now if that had taken place with the stock markets in turmoil. Our country is split right down the middle at the moment and neither side wants to give an inch , so absolutely nothing is getting done to get us back on track. We are at a stalemate. I think the middle class is well on its way out and the U.S. will end up like Mexico or India. A few very wealthy people and millions of poor people with nothing in between. As I get older I don't look at all poor people as lazy bums who don't want to work. Any racial prejudices I had as a younger man are gone. I don't believe war solves any problems. I now believe that those who have benefitted the most from our capitalist society need to put more back into it. I believe that most people who hate Obama are racists who are horrified that our country has a black president and no amount of good work Obama might do will make things right for these people so they automaticly reject anything he proposes. I'm really saddened that most people on these prospecting forums seem to fall into this racist redneck category and I have slowly begun to reduce my participation in them. I have had to ask some members to quit sending me racist jokes and far right propoganda in my email and PMs. All that the ultra rich are concerned with is staying ultra rich and they lobby congress to make sure they stay that way and to hell with everyone else .----Bob

Bob, what is your user name on Democratic Underground?

You also need to stay away from there and get the real scoop on what is going on in the world.

How did it go at the last OWS protest you were at? :o

How many pictures of Obama do you have in your house? :wub:

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So, those that disagree are not intelligent...according to Doc and his ilk...I am always amazed that the ones waving the flag hardest are the first to spit on anyone that dares to ahve a diferent and noncompliant opinion...

dispite all the hurrahs and god-bless-americas many of you people have no clue what the constitution says nor what freedom of speech really means....

The only reason this post has been allowed to continue is because Rob allows Doc to say anything he wants...rules he don't need to follow any stinking rules...

my no doubt unpopular opinion...

Fred

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So, those that disagree are not intelligent...according to Doc and his ilk...I am always amazed that the ones waving the flag hardest are the first to spit on anyone that dares to ahve a diferent and noncompliant opinion...

dispite all the hurrahs and god-bless-americas many of you people have no clue what the constitution says nor what freedom of speech really means....

The only reason this post has been allowed to continue is because Rob allows Doc to say anything he wants...rules he don't need to follow any stinking rules...

my no doubt unpopular opinion...

Fred

So are you saying you think Obama is doing a good job??

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Absolutely not true. Republicans believe that Social Security and Medicaid are program you paid into. Bush wanted to give the OPTION, for people to invest their money. Not a mandate. An option. Because your money you have paid into Social Security has been stolen by the politicians. It was never put in a separate fund to earn interest. It was put into the general fund where it was spent. There is no money in the Social Security fund! There are only IOU's. The funds people are receiving from Social Security are not the funds they put in, those funds are gone. Those funds are the money that people who are currently paying social security are paying in. Social Security is the biggest ponzie scheme ever developed.

First, why do you think the democrats keep stretching out when you can get Social Security? Because they are trying to reneg on giving people their money back. And Social Security should be totally free of taxation. The government had this money all this time and used it, getting it back tax free should be our payment for letting them use OUR money.

I have paid into Social Security about $67000 over the years. You know what my Social Security Balance is? $67,000. I had a self funded retirement account that I have paid a total of $23,000 into since 1983 that was invested in mutual funds. You know what that is worth? $487,000. Yes I will take my chances on Wall Street and with Bonds, and investments anytime over the thieves and liars in congress.

Social Security and Medicaid are your money, and I defy you to find me one quote from a Repulican or a Tea Party supported that says you don't have a right to that money.

But something is radically wrong when I am standing behind a woman in the grocery store who is paying for her food with food stamps while she tells her girlfriend she just got her hair extensions done for $400, as she is sporting a COACH purse at $300, has a $150 acrylic nail job, and when I walk into the parking lot I see her loading groceries into a new Cadillac Escalade. ALL TRUE, by the way.

Take a closer look at who the people are who promise to protect Social Security but then devise ways to make your payments less and less.

Doc

I guess what really irks me is that many Republicans and especially the tea party faction portray anyone who recieves Social Security or uses Medicare as leeches who are a drain on society . I would say that at least 95% of retired folks recieve these benefits after having paid into the system all their lives. Are all these people really leeches? Bush wanted to hand over the Social Security funds to The wall street gang of theives to gamble away. Imagine where we would be now if that had taken place with the stock markets in turmoil. Our country is split right down the middle at the moment and neither side wants to give an inch , so absolutely nothing is getting done to get us back on track. We are at a stalemate. I think the middle class is well on its way out and the U.S. will end up like Mexico or India. A few very wealthy people and millions of poor people with nothing in between. As I get older I don't look at all poor people as lazy bums who don't want to work. Any racial prejudices I had as a younger man are gone. I don't believe war solves any problems. I now believe that those who have benefitted the most from our capitalist society need to put more back into it. I believe that most people who hate Obama are racists who are horrified that our country has a black president and no amount of good work Obama might do will make things right for these people so they automaticly reject anything he proposes. I'm really saddened that most people on these prospecting forums seem to fall into this racist redneck category and I have slowly begun to reduce my participation in them. I have had to ask some members to quit sending me racist jokes and far right propoganda in my email and PMs. All that the ultra rich are concerned with is staying ultra rich and they lobby congress to make sure they stay that way and to hell with everyone else .----Bob

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Fred you have the right to think anyway you want and say anything you like.

But do you really believe it is intelligent for a president to triple our debt? By the end of 2012 Obama will have added more debt than all 43 presidents before him combined.

http://politicons.net/fact-by-end-of-2012-obama-will-have-added-as-much-debt-as-all-the-prior-43-presidents-combined/

That's not an opinion, that is a fact. Is that a SMART thing to do? Is that what you have done in your personal life? Have you gone out and tripled your debt? You wouldn't do that would you Fred? WHY? Because you are intelligent enough to know that is not a smart thing to do, yet we have a president who triples our debt, and as an intelligent thinking person I am supposed to think that is SMART? Not only is it not smart, it is just plain common sense, that at some point in time, when you have gotten yourself in a hole, you have to quit digging. Contrary to Joe Biden, another imbecile of gigantic proportions, we have to SPEND OUR WAY OUR OF DEBT. Go to your local bank and ask them for a $20,000 loan and tell them you want it so you can SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF DEBT, but be prepared to hear a lot of laughter and to leave empty handed.

Under Obama, unemployment has skyrocketed, even though he promised it would not with his stimulus package. And now he wants another stimulus package. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Is it intelligent to leave a man in office who instead of looking and this economy and saying, you know, we all need to tighten our belts, especially the federal government.

Is it intelligent not to question why if OBAMA CARE is so good, that Congress has exempted themselves from it, and given waivers to every company that has given major contributions to Obama? Something is wrong with this picture and it doesn't take a Harvard graduate to figure it out.

Is it intelligent for an administration of our government under Eric Holder to intentionally funnel guns to Mexican Drug cartels, so a U.S. border guard could be shot and killed? Come on this isn't rocket science.

I just don't know what there is to disagree on. Do you disagree that the debt has sky rocketed? Do you disagree that is not a good thing? Do you disagree that unemployment is a bad thing? Do you disagree that the first stimulus package did not work. In fact we have studies now that say the stimulus actually made things worse.

Do you disagree that the AFFORDABLE HOMES program spear headed by Barney Frank and supported by the democrats in order to allow people who had no business buying homes, could qualify by using predatory lending rates, and loosened standards so they could qualify, when they didn't even have the income to make payments, has caused the housing crisis we now have? Was that a smart thing to do?

Do you think the WALL STREET bailout, the bank bailouts, the General Motor bailouts, all at taxpayer expense was an intelligent thing to do?

Just what is it you disagree with, do you disagree with the facts?

Do you disagree with the fact that 7 years ago the Aussie dollar was worth .56 American, and now it's worth .98 cents American. Not because the Aussie dollar is so strong, it's because the American dollar is so weak. Do you disagree that because of that we have had price increases in metal detectors, coils, anything from Australia?

Our dollar is weak because we are printing more money to pay the interest on our debt. It's money that is backed, not with gold, as it once was, but the GOOD FAITH of the FEDERAL Government. The same FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that has spent all of the money in the Social Security fund. In my book, there is no GOOD FAITH left and the rest of the world is starting to feel that way too.

Doc

So, those that disagree are not intelligent...according to Doc and his ilk...I am always amazed that the ones waving the flag hardest are the first to spit on anyone that dares to ahve a diferent and noncompliant opinion...

dispite all the hurrahs and god-bless-americas many of you people have no clue what the constitution says nor what freedom of speech really means....

The only reason this post has been allowed to continue is because Rob allows Doc to say anything he wants...rules he don't need to follow any stinking rules...

my no doubt unpopular opinion...

Fred

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Doc. Obama has stopped oil drilling ? Read todays story on Associated press about the oil booms in the eastern states. 3,500 new wells in Pennsylvania since 2008. 500 new drilling permits in Virginia and 32 in ohio just this year. Massive oil boom going on in Montana and the Dakotas. It's obvious you read only what you want to hear about . I personally believe that the mess our economy is in is directly the result of what the Bush administration did and the present admin. got it dumped on them. You can't throw trillions of dollars at a worthless war in Iraq and expect the next 5 years to be good, not to mention the thousands of American lives that were wasted for nothing and the thousands of Iraqi women and children who were murdered. We used our weapons of mass destruction to keep Saddam from using his weapons of mass destruction which it turned out Saddam didn't even have. The Bush idiots are entirely to blame for the mess we are in and it was their actions that totally changed my politics!!! I think Bush and Cheney should be tried for murder.---Bob

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Doc. Obama has stopped oil drilling ? Read todays story on Associated press about the oil booms in the eastern states. 3,500 new wells in Pennsylvania since 2008. 500 new drilling permits in Virginia and 32 in ohio just this year. Massive oil boom going on in Montana and the Dakotas. It's obvious you read only what you want to hear about . I personally believe that the mess our economy is in is directly the result of what the Bush administration did and the present admin. got it dumped on them. You can't throw trillions of dollars at a worthless war in Iraq and expect the next 5 years to be good, not to mention the thousands of American lives that were wasted for nothing and the thousands of Iraqi women and children who were murdered. We used our weapons of mass destruction to keep Saddam from using his weapons of mass destruction which it turned out Saddam didn't even have. The Bush idiots are entirely to blame for the mess we are in and it was their actions that totally changed my politics!!! I think Bush and Cheney should be tried for murder.---Bob

Bob, stop with the lies! I suggest you read something besides Huffington Post.

Show me where "the USA" murdered thousands of women & children.

Why is Obama stopping the pipeline from Canada till after the election? It has been checked out for years and is safe.

Why do you think we went into Iraq? For the oil?

Do you really think Sadam had no weapons of MD? What about all the folks he gassed.

What weapons of MD did we use in Iraq?

Do you think 911 was a "inside job" and not terrorist?

Time to wake up Bob! :lol:

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Doc. On the one hand you say that the politicians have stolen all the money which I totally agree with. So why on earth is it Obamas fault and getting rid of him will suddenly fix all of that? With Obama gone there are just more theives waiting in line. It's too late to fix what we have , the politicians have to much power and money now. A revolution will come some day and we can start over. You and I will be long gone, but at least we lived through the reign of the richest country on earth which had more people living comfortably than ever before, and may never be equalled.

Claim Jumper. No I don't have pictures of any president on my walls and don't belong to any political organizations. I just think it is irrational to blame Obama for things that were already out of control long before he took office . I'll vote for him again if the Republicans can't come up with anyone better.----Bob

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Claim jumper. Did you sleep through the first weeks of our bombing of Iraq ? That looked like mass destruction to me . Do you think women and children didn't die? We didn't bomb just their military bases we bombed their cities first!! 911 was committed by terrorists mostly from Saudi Arabia, Bushes buddies. Why didn't we bomb them? Because we needed their oil. Yes it was all about the oil . You do your homework !!! What lies did I tell? The story about all the new oil and gas wells is right there on your computer on the Yahoo home page. I know people who have just headed to South Dakota to get jobs in the huge oil and building boom . It is real , no lies. Who finally got the worst terrorist Osama Bin Laden (A Saudi)? It wasn't Bushes regime it was Obamas. You wake up! Look at both pictures.---Bob

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