Whitebutler Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 So after detecting some private ground I have written permission to hunt, I found out there has been a group out there. The group has been in and out during the night, while the owners leave for weekend trips or to town, and have taken a lot off gold off of patented mine ground. We have them on game cams, however nobody wants to see the video. What the hell do we do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubstake1 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 a little night target practice over there heads. Grubstake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebutler Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Yes I do believe in that. Not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubstake1 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 A few rounds at night, over there heads or in the air, would make them think! Grubstake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin nuggethunting Posted May 30, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Hey Whitewater, Maybe showing the owner of the property the video's and have him take it up with the "poachers/high-graders" and let them know the next time they are caught the video(s) will be taken to the nearest law enforcement. Maybe the "poachers" watch the forums and will see that they have been caught on camera! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebutler Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 There is three of them on here and one is very well known. I don't want to put names out on here but yes the authorities have knowledge of them. The usfs and our fish and wildlife officers have pictures and vehicle descriptions. I actually bought a detector from one of them a while back. A lot of hard work goes into finding and gaining the trust of land owners. We try to be strait and honest and share all we find and our experiences with the owners. When this gets infringed on we don't take it lightly. After all these people who trust us have become good friends in a joint venture to better our life's and theirs. It's like trespassers want to ruin guys like us without consequences. Thanks for the input. I will be watching for what others do in their areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LipCa Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 wait too long and gold will be gone. you don't say whether the landowner knows what is going on? If so, why not have the landowner send a registered letter to each(you know who they are) and state they do not have permission to be on his property and they will be prosecuted for trespassing if caught on video surveillance again. (make sure that video is mentioned) Just say "I'm going to do that". One of them is probably going to read the thread anyway. Maybe you will do it, maybe you won't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubstake1 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 I'm old don't care, I'd shoot there ass after the first warning, and bury them where they would never be found. Grubstake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Seeker Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Is this in Arizona? If so what the violators are committing is "Criminal Trespass" in the First Degree, IF they have been verbally warned or the proper signage are in place, the law is clear on this, they have to be warned first. http://dmcantor.com/crimes-against-property/trespass/ http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/13/01504.htm Have the violators been warned verbally? OR Are there "No Trespassing" signs posted? https://www.signs.com/blog/state-by-state-guide-to-no-trespassing-laws-signage/#arizona Arizona Arizona state laws for trespassing, under AS 13-1502, detail that it is considered trespassing when informed or requested by a land owner, an authorized representative or law enforcement. It is also considered trespassing if “reasonable notice prohibiting entry” has been posted. Definitions of trespassing can be found here in section 13-1501. From my understanding of the law, trespassing on private property is not enforced by the USFS nor Fish and Game, the USFS only has authorty on Federal Forest land, Fish and Game on State Land, this matter should be enforced by the local Sheriff/Police, has the local Sheriff/Police been brought in on this matter? Also the owners of the private property or their agent may have to press charges before the Sheriff/Police will take any action, are the property owners willing to do this(?), if not it's a lost cause IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuTSaurus Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 IF it is in California, I hope this helps you, (a little bit lengthy, but worth it)... (487d , I believe, applies)... _ CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE - “THEFT”; “GRAND THEFT” TITLE 13. OF CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY CHAPTER 5. LARCENY SEC. 484-502.9 SECTION 486. Theft is divided into two degrees, the first of which is termed grand theft; the second, petty theft. SECTION 487. Grand theft is theft committed in any of the following cases: (a) When the money, labor, or real or personal property taken is of a value exceeding nine hundred fifty dollars ($950), except as provided in subdivision (b). (b) Notwithstanding subdivision (a), grand theft is committed in any of the following cases: 3(c) When the property is taken from the person of another Section 487d – Grand Theft; gold dust, amalgam, or quicksilver 487d. Every person who feloniously steals, takes, and carries away, or attempts to take, steal, and carry from any mining claim, tunnel, sluice, undercurrent, riffle box, or sulfurate machine, another's gold dust, amalgam, or quicksilver is guilty of grand theft and is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170. Section 1170. (h) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (3), a felony punishable pursuant to this subdivision where the term is not specified in the underlying offense shall be punishable by a term of imprisonment in a county jail for 16 months, or two or three years. Fine authorized in addition to prescribed imprisonment, see SEC. 672. SECTION 672. Upon a conviction for any crime punishable by imprisonment in any jail or prison, in relation to which no fine is herein prescribed, the court may impose a fine on the offender not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000) in cases of misdemeanors or ten thousand dollars ($10,000) in cases of felonies, in addition to the imprisonment prescribed. Greg _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebutler Posted May 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Yes that does help. It is in Northern California. And is north of Sacramento and south of Redding. I think we have it in the bag now. I spent today with a fish and wildlife officer looking at what was done and faces on film. He lives right next door to the area I hunt. Thank you or the post Greg. That will clear some things up for me and give clear grounds for court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuTSaurus Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Hello Whitebutler, late yesterday I arrived back home from four days gone. Was attending a memorial service for a relative in San Jose, Ca. Missed all the craziness(political), we were across town. Found this, your last post, just now. You are quite welcome, I truly hope it helps! Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlight Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 midnight high graders hey grubstake its paul we have been down this road well backhoes come in handy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubstake1 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Quote Yep, I know you have. How are you doing? Paul? Grubstake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredm Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 You people advocating shooting trespassers are wrong, wrong, wrong! It is big talk that leads to some really stupid decisions fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlight Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 lets all face it there will always be highgraders day time or night time its the nature of man kind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOC Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 This is serious business. It is best for law enforcement to handle it. In a way I'm jealous. I have never prospected anywhere that was so good that someone actually wanted to "jump my claim." I mean unless someone has a fetish for sub-gram nuggets. Then just follow me to Gold Basin. You can hunt all day in the 107 degree heat and if you get lucky you might find one. Just be careful and sensible and don't do anything that would put yourself in trouble with the law in the process of trying to catch these midnight marauders. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlight Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 well doc your right i control 1600 acres out were we are if they come to me and ask they can detect but if not then it tresspassing thats it easy i do let people detect on are area simple ask and you well get gold if you are lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homefire Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Reminds me of a time I trans versed a sweet corn feild. If you got cought stealing you was procicuted. If you asked the old boy would hand you a bushel basket and say FILL IT TO the TOP. lol Thanks for ASKing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolanDave Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I've seen some people on youtube post night hunts, any association? If you know who they are, have you messaged them privately and warned them to not tresspass? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebutler Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Being that this property is fenced and posted no trespassing I don't need to warn them. It has been turned over to the local authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
californiagold Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Im sorry to here about your new good detecting area that has been ransacked. I have had the same thing done to some of my great permission places. there is a few around that are disrespectful and sneek in to these places. ive had some great places in the past where I attain permission and the owner said that no one has ever been allowed to detect there before. I was really excited to go there only to find out that some had slipped in without permission and took most of the gold. There is one guy around that is famous for this in a couple different counties anyway. its too bad these days the laws dont punish them enough to scare most of them. best of luck with your situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NvDoug Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 You previously mentioned that this person is well known and that you had bought a detector off him. Obviously he or 'they' are on a nugget patch and have possibly found some gold...especially if they have returned several times. Being "well known" has a price and that price is Integrity You or the land owner can contact him/them and request that the gold that they have found be returned to the land owner and there will be no law involved and/or public announcement w/game cam. photos/video. If they don't comply just post the dirty rats on all forums. Let this "well known" person(s) be known for what they really are when the sun goes down. I hunt alone just to avoid the 'trust' issue. . . Just my 2 cents. . . I hate thieves(.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Well if there is that much precious gold there , then why dont the owners make arrangements to recover it??? Your story has alot of holes and I think your full of it....Maybe your jealous or something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Why would you talk to usfs and fish and wildlife for a trespassing issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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